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Jeter wins another Gold Glove

Posted on: November 9, 2010 4:06 pm
Edited on: April 18, 2011 12:28 pm
 
Oh, as we complain again and again about the Baseball Writers Association of America and their votes for MVP and Cy Young, the coaches and managers once again show they're not a better committee to choose the biggest awards in the game.

Exhibit A: Derek Jeter, Gold Glover.

Derek Jeter Yep, Jeter won the Gold Glove again on Tuesday in a vote from American League coaches and managers. Derek Jeter with a -5.4 UZR/150, -13 runs saved and -17 plus/minus, was determined by the coaches and managers to be the best defensive shortstop in the American League. Among qualified players, only Tampa Bay's Jason Bartlett (-13.8) and Kansas City's Yuniesky Betancourt (-9.2) had a worse UZR/150.

Sure, Jeter had just six errors, but the idea that errors tell you much about a player's defense is preposterous. It tells you who is able to make the routine plays best. That's well and good, but it has little to do with the best all-around defensive player. Jeter has the range of, well, a mediocre 36-year old defensive player. (You know how many times you see Jeter go into the hole and doing that leaping throw, but doesn't quite get the runner? Oh, what a gutty play, he doesn't get an E. Thing is, most other shortstops don't have to make that jump and get the runner.)

Who would be a better choice? Well, who wouldn't?

The Fielding Bible Awards had Chicago's Alexei Ramirez as its third-place finisher, and best among AL players. Ramirez's UZR/150 was 10.1, he had 16 runs saved and a 20 plus/minus.

In UZR/150, Ramirez was trailed by Oakland's Cliff Pennington (8.8), Baltimore's Cesar Izturis (5.8) and Texas' Elvis Andrus (0.3), among qualified players.

The Gold Gloves have been one of those openly mocked selections since a designated hitter won one in 1999 (Rafael Palmeiro). Defense, even in this day and age of advanced statistics, is still highly subjective, with reputation playing more of a role than production. That's what the Gold Glove tells us every year. It also tells us the coaches and managers have as much of a Yankee bias as the media is accused of having.

Alex Rodriguez was the only Yankee infielder not to be awarded, even though the advanced statistics liked Oakland's infield much more.

Mark Teixeira won at first base, even though Oakland's Daric Barton was likely the best choice. Mark Ellis had the top UZR/150 among second basemen (12.7), but the winner was Robinson Cano (-0.9).  Also deserving at second would be Minnesota's Orlando Hudson (12.0 UZR/150). Hudson was the top AL vote-getter in the Fielding Bible Awards, while Ellis was behind him.

As for the outfield, that's probably where a Yankee was actually left off. Left fielder Brett Gardner had the best UZR/150 of any qualified outfielders with a 27.9. He also won the Fielding Bible Award in left field.

American League Gold Glove winners
P Mark Buehrle, White Sox
C Joe Mauer, Twins
1B Mark Teixeira, Yankees
2B Robinson Cano, Yankees
3B Evan Longoria, Rays
SS Derek Jeter, Yankees
OF Carl Crawford, Rays
OF Franklin Gutierrez, Mariners
OF Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Comments

Since: Dec 19, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2010 8:20 am
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

Alexei Ramirez made 20 errors.
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True, but Jeter played 4 fewer games than Alexei and had 215 fewer chances. 
The typical Yankee fan response seems to be: "He only had 6 errors. Look at these other guys - Andrus with 16, Ramirez with 20. How can you say they're better?" Well, when you're getting to balls that are out of the range of certain SS's, you've got a higher chance of committing an error. But you're still making a lot of plays, and a lot of outs, on those balls, whereas when Jeter's out there, those are all hits.

Alexei had 67 more putouts and 134 more assists than Jeter. That's a lot of outs.



Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 8:05 pm
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

3rd base being the hot corner is apples and oranges comparing to SS. 3rd basemen always make more errors 14 is actually low 



Since: Nov 18, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 1:37 pm
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

You are the idiot.  Jeter DOESN'T make the play in the hole.  That's the issue.  Watch A. Ramirez, Pennington or Andrus and you'll see that they have at least 10 feet of extra range.  Every fielding evaluation ranks Jeter near the bottom except errors, but a garden gnome wouldn't have any errors either unless the batter somehow managed to hit it.  You would rather have a statue with no errors and 500 balls hit by him then a SS with range that fields 490 of those 500 balls?



Since: Nov 18, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 1:34 pm
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

No, as the article states, errors is not how you judge a player's defensive prowess.  If it was, then a guy who just stood at his position and only fielded balls hit direcly at him would probably only have 1 or 2 errors.  However, the 500 balls he refused to go after would kill his team.

Look, give a gold glove to Gardner, but Jeter is ludicrously bad.  Cano is mediocre and Tex is ok, but he shouldn't get it when Daric Barton is in the league!  Barton is lightyears ahead of the competition in the AL right now.  In fact, the A's should be the team with 3 winners in Barton, Ellis and Suzuki. 



Since: Sep 26, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 12:54 pm
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

The Yankees by far and away were the lowest team in the majors with only 69 errors.

To be so angered by the Yankees having 3 gold glove winners just speaks of typical anti-NY bias



Since: Apr 24, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 12:46 pm
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

Errors are only half the story for fielders.  Some guys are steady and consistent (low errors), but lack the arm strength or range to make difficult plays.  Some guys are great athletes that make plays others simply can't, but then have mental lapses and blow easy plays.  What's needed is an analysis of percent of plays successfully completed when the ball comes into a players' area.  Does a guy like Jeter blow plays outside of his range enough to be a defensive liability?  Does a guy like Ramirez make enough crazy plays to counter his errors?  Obviously you can't go only off of statistics (after all, how do you really numerically describe a great play?), but the fact that the gold glove list is made up of offensive standouts (with Gutierrez being the lone exception) suggests that coaches vote more on which batters don't suck at fielding than by which players are great defenders.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2010 11:40 am
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

What the hell is UZR you douche? A good reporter would explain something that is unknown by most people. And exactly what does this arbitrary number mean?



Since: Dec 14, 2009
Posted on: November 10, 2010 10:19 am
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

You're an IDIOT! How many others (with only 6 errors) still make that play in the hole Jeter does so well? Slowing a little, yes. At 36 that's probably the standard, but don't get pissed with Jeter just because he is a Yankee. I'd love for the Rays to have him! Even at 36!



Since: Sep 26, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2010 9:47 am
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

Alexei Ramirez made 20 errors.

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Since: Dec 19, 2006
Posted on: November 10, 2010 9:43 am
 

Jeter wins another Gold Glove

Any Yankee fan that is realistic would not argue that Jeter didn't deserve the "award". C'mon, TWO years ago there was all this talk from Yankee fans of him being done and having to move off SS to 1B or LF.
This should have gone to Alexei Ramirez, Andrus or Izturis....anyone that saw them play regularly would know that they are better defensive SS than Jeter on his best day.


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