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Players criticize (lack of) fans

Posted on: September 27, 2010 11:14 pm
Edited on: October 19, 2010 11:57 am

A couple of crowds on Monday night were not what some of the people on the field wanted them to be, and the players made it known.

The Rays had a chance to clinch a playoff berth with a win at home against the Orioles, and just 12,446 showed up. And it really wasn't even that many -- remember that baseball uses "tickets sold" as attendance, so season tickets count whether the people show up or not. The crowd was just over half Tampa Bay's season average of 23,047.

Rays ace David Price took to his personal Twitter account to complain, writing "Had a chance to clinch a post season spot tonight with about 10,000 fans in the stands....embarrassing."

Tampa third baseman Evan Longoria told the St. Petersburg Times that the small crowds down the stretch are "disheartening" and embarrassing."

In Washington, there were a few more fans -- 14,309. What troubled the Nationals was that way too many of them were Phillies fans there to watch their team clinch the National League East title.

The Washington Post quoted Nats shortstop Ian Desmond as saying it was "kind of embarrassing when everyone in the stadium is clapping against you when you’re at home."

Outfielder Nyjer Morgan had this to say to
"Damn, it was a lot louder at our place than it was at their place when we go there. It felt it was a home game for the Phillies."

It's not generally a good business practice to criticize the customers, but sometimes frustration takes over.

UPDATE: After his comment spread across the internet, Price tweeted: "If I offended anyone I apologize I did not think it was gonna turn into this ..."

-- David Andriesen

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Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:55 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

"If you take the population of the city where the team's stadium is located, the Rays, who play in St. Pete, have the second best attendance to city population ratio in baseball."

That is an absolutely crap argument.  If you want to use that as your basis for the Tampa Bay Rays being supported by the community they play in, that's acting like anybody who visits the ballpark who doesn't live in the exact city the stadium is located is a bonus to ownership.  That argument should also tell you that whomever decided a city of less than a quarter million could support a Major League ballclub is an absolute moron.

Everybody knows that sports franchises consider the population surrounding a ballpark as part of the team's/city's metropolitan area and, therefore, the market on which they draw.  If that's the way you want to argue things, does that mean that since the New Meadowlands located in East Rutherford, NJ (population 8,400) seats 82,566 is way over-sized because each member of the town could have almost ten seats to himself every Sunday if the whole town showed up to the game?  Or is it just the greatest stadium ever since it draws ten times the local population each game?

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:07 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

Actually 1.8 million for David Price is a steal.
It is for now. But in 2 years when Price is eligible for arbitration it won't be a steal anymore.  Anyway, he'll demand a trade anyway.  Tampa played around with him in 09 starting him in the minors to delay his free agency eligibility.  You can get away with that when they're young, but as players become superstars they remember that kinda stuff.  That's ridiculous.. tampa management sucks.

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:19 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

And why are ticket prices so high?  Might have something to do with that high salary that you and most of your fellow players are making

Actually 1.8 million for David Price is a steal.  Your argument is way off base...they don't charge that amount on a whim...the Rays tickets are actually very affordable.  THey have to break even.  It is a business and you have to keep up with the jones'.  If you want a good team you have to pay the players.  If you don't like that then don't watch.  David Price and the Major Leaguers ask and they are given that money.  If the owners want to keep prices down then then the owners have to say no.  But some owners spend the money they make and have great ways to raise revenue.  I hate the Yankees but George spent to the point of some years just breaking even.  The Sox came up with a stupid card and membership to "Red Sox" Nation.  Brought in Millions.  They pumped millions into Fenway renovations, closed off a street to make the surrounding area more pleasurable.  THey have gone to great extremes to make the money you spend worth the experience you get.  The Rays ownership spent this season to the tune of over 70 million.  They made the investment and knew they had a good team.  Stop blaming the players.  If you want to blame the economy of Tampa and how dire it is. I buy that totally.  But to put blame on the players is a bit ridiculous.  Everyone in business tries to get what they can.  Would you take less at your job so your product was more affordable to the consumer?  NO you wouldn't so don't ask them to.  I am a teacher and wish I could make more but you know what...Many can teach thus setting the market for what I can make.  Not many can throw 99 with a 92 mph slider that falls off the table.  Thus setting his market.  Don't seel those seats and that team will leave.  Then you you don't have to worry about attendance.

Since: Apr 17, 2007
Posted on: September 28, 2010 5:54 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

Lotrings, comparing your traveling to see the Patriots to travel for baseball games?  Think about it. Traveling to a football game once every other week, ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON OR EVENING, is not the same travel commitment as traveling to a baseball game in another city, on a school and work night, several times a week.  

Since: Oct 4, 2008
Posted on: September 28, 2010 5:53 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

According to, Mr. Price will make $1.8 million this year playing a kid's game.  This doesn't include any monies that he may receive through bonuses, endorsements, and the like.

I'm sorry, Mr. Price, but if you want more fans in the seats, you need to talk to management about lowering the cost that an average fan has to pay to see a live game.  And why are ticket prices so high?  Might have something to do with that high salary that you and most of your fellow players are making.  Why don't you take a pay cut to do your part about making it more affordable to see a game?  After all, everyone should have some "skin in the game," to quote the President.   

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 5:25 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

I can't even believe what I'm reading. Prices in Tampa are outrageous? Huh? You believe they now charge for parking? Wow. Just, wow. I wish prices at Wrigley were that outrageous. And I wish it was possible to park there at all. It's not. If it were, they would charge. It costs more to park at a Hawks, Bulls, Bears game than it does to buy a seat for a Rays game, so don't tell us about outrageous prices. Not when our car pays more to go to a game here than a person does there.

Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 4:56 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

What these players fail to realize in Washington is their hometown fans want to watch a winner.  Not just on the field but in the standings as well.  That is certainly the reason only Phillies fans showed up at Nationals Park.  Philadelphia is a successful franchise and they just clinched their fourth straight division title.  You have to do more than just charge high prices for tickets, parking, and concessions, to expect fans to consider it a privilege to watch you play a home game from the cellar of your division.  Sorry Nationals, if you offered some more free or discounted tickets, maybe more fans would show up that will cheer for your team.  Otherwise, fans have a right to choose something else to do with their time.

As for the Rays, with the economy the way it is and so much to do in Florida, sometimes choices has to be made.  Fans in Tampa also have that right.

When all the players were against things like a salary cap and fans watched the prices to attend a game go completely through the roof, times were just great for those players and the game in their eyes.  Then when the economy took a turn no organization has been in any kind of hurry to drop prices or salaries in an attempt to take a little of the load off the middle class or even lower class families.  Oh no, raising prices was a breeze.  Ever think about lowering prices?  That seems to be out of the question or just simply unheard of now a days.  Well, I say too bad.  There are no guarantees these days and certainly when the economy is bad and money is real tight it is easy to see that people can without doubt do without attending a baseball or even football or basketball game or any sporting event.  It just isn't one of the necessities of life.

Since: Jan 25, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2010 4:47 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

You got it wrong guys. Here are the facts.  Tropicana Field is located in St Petersburg/Clearwater area not Tampa. Most of the residents are retired middle class and basically can't afford to constantly attend games. Prices for tickets are high and the food prices are outrageous. I believe they now charge for parking. When the Yankees or Redsox are in town then people come from all over. I travel over 100 miles to see them. So supporting a major league team where the average player makes millions is very difficult. The Rays only option is to relocated out of Florida. Incidentally the Marlins have the same attendance problem for years and they are building a new covered stadium(with tax payer money) but it won't help.   

Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 4:33 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

make that 60 ft. no one else saw it right? lol

Since: Jan 29, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 4:30 pm

Players criticize (lack of) fans

Well eat your shoe because we draw more than 30,000 every weekend. And lets move the team to Tampa right? Yea thats why the bucs game was blacked out this sunday. Great fans there....

Im unemployed and have been to 13 rays games this year. Its embarrasing, but all these other teams fans need to mind there own fucking business.

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