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Logic not on Joe Morgan's side

Posted on: September 14, 2010 5:58 pm
Joe Morgan
If you talk in public as much as Joe Morgan does, you're bound to say something stupid once in a while. But that doesn't excuse saying something as stupid as what he said in an online chat Tuesday.

The ESPN baseball analyst (and Hall of Fame player) was talking about the American League Cy Young Award race, which has people debating how much wins should count for or against a pitcher compared with other stats that are more in his control. Seattle's Felix Hernandez leads the league in ERA, strikeouts and innings pitched, but he's got just an 11-11 record.

"I don't buy into the point that if Felix is pitching for someone else he'd have more wins," Morgan said in his chat.

Uh, wait ... what?

Hernandez has gotten 1.2 runs of support on average, by far the least of any regular starter in the majors. He's pitching for a team that scores 3.19 runs per game, on pace for one of the worst run totals in recent history. Larry Stone of the Seattle Times recently detailed seven games in which Hernandez got a no-decision that would have been a win if he had an even remotely competent offense backing him up. And those are just no-decisions -- not even looking at games he lost that he could have won.

The debate between Hernandez and the Yankees' CC Sabathia (Joe Posnanski recently compared the two start-by-start) is a legitimate one. But in no universe can you logically argue that Hernandez would not have benefited in the win column by playing for a better team.

-- David Andriesen

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 11:05 am

Logic not on Joe Morgan's side

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Since: May 14, 2010
Posted on: September 15, 2010 7:20 am

Logic not on Joe Morgan's side

Nice hatchet job on Joe Morgan!  You've taken his comment on Felix out of context, so for the sake of clarity and objectivity (remember when reporters had that?), here is the rest of what he said.

I think it's a joke to have that kind of debate. What Sabathia has done is be the best pitcher in the AL from opening day to this point. I don't buy into the point that if Felix is pitching for someone else he'd have more wins. They said that about Cliff Lee when he left Seattle, but he's lost more than he's won since he left Seattle. The name of the game is to win and he's won. And if you're looking at a second guy, it has to be David Price. It's amazing to me that we have let computers define him rather than performance. His job is to win the game, not just pitch 5-6 innings. I don't think there should be a debate between Felix and Sabathia.

Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: September 14, 2010 6:26 pm

Logic not on Joe Morgan's side

How does this guy have a job? He routinely says dumber things then you would think possible. He also says false information as if it were true and when proven wrong doesn't say anything.

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